Strong’s #646 How Is “apostasy” Being Used To Prove The Imminence of The Rapture?

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646. apostasia

Strong’s Concordance

apostasia: defection, revolt

Original Word: ποστασία, ας,

Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

Transliteration: apostasia

Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas-ee’-ah)

Short Definition: defection, apostasy

Definition: defection, apostasy, revolt.

HELPS Word-studies

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, “leave, depart,” which is derived from 575 /apó, “away from” and 2476 /histémi, “stand”) – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, “a leaving, from a previous standing

the aorist (pronounced /ˈeɪ.ərɨst/ or /ˈɛərɨst/) is a class of verbforms that generally portray a situation as simple or undivided, that is, as having perfective aspect

Use of a perfective aspect, however, does not imply a punctiliar or short-lived action. It simply “presents an occurrence in summary, viewed as a whole from the outside, without regard for the internal make-up of the occurrence.” [2]

The Argument as presented by pre-Trib. –The word can mean a separation from a previous state a one time event having nothing to do with faith; it is translated Divorce three times in scripture. The argument presented by some Dispensationalist’s states that the understanding of the word is based on the context in which it is used. So the argument sees the Rapture in the context of the 2 Thessalonians passage and therefore The rapture is the one time event or Separation which precedes antichrist and the day of the Lord in 2 Thessalonians 2

First let me say that this is an obvious and confusing twist to the actual meaning that they are applying to the word apostasy in this passage. What Paul is trying to clear up is confusion about the day of the Lord. What Dispensationalist’s are trying to do with “apostasy” of course can only be done if the Rapture is tied directly to the day of the Lord, but this in reality is not the case when applying the pre-Trib thinking. Why, because their rapture teaching does not tie the Rapture itself to the Bible’s definition of the Day of the Lord. Their teaching places it at least 7 years prior. But Paul’s own writing to these same Thessalonians in 1 Thess 5 does make the context about the Day of the Lord, and yes it includes the Rapture.

The argument presented in this passage by pre-Trib scholars is that Jesus coming as a thief is the Rapture and His coming in the clouds (clouds being the Great army of saints) is His Glorious Appearing to Earth 7 years later when every eye will see Him.

We know however that the Glorious appearing occurs on the Day of the Lord and begins the Millennium, why? — Joel tells us that the earth will be in total darkness before the day of the Lord. Listen:

behold, I am going to arouse them from the place where you have sold them, and return your recompense on your head. Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up! Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, “I am a mighty man.” Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, And gather yourselves there. Bring down, O Lord, Your mighty ones. Let the nations be aroused And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat, For there I will sit to judge All the surrounding nations. Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon grow dark And the stars lose their brightness. The Lord roars from Zion And utters His voice from Jerusalem, And the heavens and the earth tremble. But the Lord is a refuge for His people And a stronghold to the sons of Israel.

Joel 3:7,9-16 NASB

DARKNESS and ARMAGEDDON; the harvest and the wine press none of these are unfamiliar characteristics of the prophetic signs concerning THE DAY OF THE LORD, these are stated to be the conditions just before the Lord returns in Isaiah, Revelation and in Jesus’ accounting. So Paul says in 1 Thess 5, that His coming as a thief IN THE NIGHT is on the Day of the Lord, making this His coming after Tribulation even as Jesus described it in Matthew and Mark. Paul here says as a thief. Making it one event the resurrection and Rapture that he had just described in the preceding verses in chapter 4.

So the pre-Trib argument is not valid because it says that the day of the Lord begins at the beginning of the Tribulation; yet Revelation, Joel and Isaiah all specifically end the Tribulation with Armageddon and darkness over the earth. So today there is now an attempt to overcome this newly realized problem, because in the distant past the pre-Trib dispensationalist would state that the tribulation is definitely a part of the day of the Lord. Also today a valid objection is raised that by so doing they are also refuted by PAUL where he says in 2Thess that the Day of the Lord will not come until the Apostasy and the Antichrist come. So since Jesus places both of these events as occurring during Tribulation their argument has now shifted.

Note this prior argument has not been abandoned, because people still believe it. Why?— very few are interested in or are willing to share an article such as this one. So many still make these same arguments with no Scriptural support, but the focus surrounding these verses has changed for many, and it now is about the meaning of the word Apostasy. But it goes without saying that trying to make Rapture out of Divorce or falling away, or even removing oneself is a big STRETCH. If we go back to the definition of the word apostasy the actor is the one who apostatizes. So here the church is the actor who falls away or removes itself. The ordinary meaning would be that one would fall from the faith, but here it is all of the church removing itself from the earth. Can the church remove itself? What would that do to this scripture?

I write these articles and expect those few who read them to share them if you consider them worthy. Very little of that is being done and so the popular message, to escape a Tribulation that will surely come, is still the theme. My thinking is that this condition will be the actual catalyst for the falling away from the faith that will come in these last days — not because I said it, but because the scripture says it. Jesus said it.

Finally, please forgive me for using Imminence in this title. I know that it is really not the subject, but it certainly is a big theme within pretribulationism’s argument today. As for my use I’m just trying to attract as many as I can to what scripture really says. Thank you for reading.

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Why Is it Post Trib? Part 5 — The first Resurrection

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

This is obviously a description of the first resurrection and a confirmation of a gathering of the dead into the air which we have come to associate with the Rapture, which follows and is made to be a part of that gathering. But the question remains are there multiple parts to the first resurrection separated by time? This is the the question that must be answered in order to help resolve the rapture when debate.

This passage speaks of those who have fallen asleep in Jesus, and of the dead in Christ. The passage actually makes them the same. Some who had accepted Jesus as the Christ have now died. So we can say that they are the dead in Christ, but what of those dead that Jesus visited along with the thief in paradise while in the belly of the earth? Are they also the dead in Christ? Eph. 4 says that they were led captive. Paradise was moved to heaven. If they are also the dead in Christ they then must be included in this part if there is a separate part of the first resurrection. But that still does not answer the question at hand.

The Lord teaches a resurrection and rapture from the four corners of Heaven and the earth. We see this in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. His in fact is the first description of the Rapture to take place in conjunction with His return that is recorded within history or the Scripture. When Daniel speaks of the Lord taking dominion in His coming kingdom we are not told the sequence of these events and the Rapture is not mentioned.

Pre-Trib theology tells us that the first resurrection has many parts. The following is supposed to be one of those.

The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; (Matthew 27:52).

Many Jewish bodies were raised in conjunction with Jesus’ own resurrection, but not all of those then in the grave, just many. So this definitely qualifies as a miracle maybe even a much greater one then the resurrection of Lazarus. It also qualifies as a sign from heaven showing God’s control over Jesus’ resurrection, but it is not “the first resurrection” as we will see. The fact that the first resurrection is not mentioned is significant, but the lack of a word is not proof. And further based on this scripture we have no idea if these who were resurrected ever died again as did Lazarus. But then we can’t really point to a scripture saying that he died again.

What we do know is that all the dead of Israel had not been resurrected, for had they been there would have been crowds exiting the tombs at the time of Jesus resurrection. Multiple times more than those already in the city for Passover. So was this a part of the first resurrection? Think about this. The first resurrection requirements are immortality and incorruption. The biggest requirement is that no one in Christ preceded Him in resurrection, because He is the first fruits. Lazarus was resurrected but his body was not a first resurrection body like Jesus’ body, which was able to appear and disappear. He walked through walls. He carried the scars of His death, yet showed no signs of their effect on Him physically. If these Saints had been first resurrection saints would there not have been much written about them in history to include their appearance and their feats, since we know that they did walk the streets of Jerusalem?

Some also tell us that Jesus’ resurrection was part of the first resurrection.

“Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” (Matthew 20:18-19).

This is where Jesus predicts His own resurrection, and other Scripture calls Him the first fruits of the resurrection. But although His resurrection makes the resurrection to eternal life possible, it is not the first resurrection of the dead in Him that Paul says His coming will trigger.

If we look back to Daniel chapter 7 we find the little horn and his dominion being judged and the establishment of the kingdom of the Lord, but no description as to resurrections and rapture. In chapter 12:2 of Daniel we read of the resurrection of some to everlasting life, and of others to everlasting contempt. A cursory reading of this passage would imply only two resurrections. One of the just and another of the unjust. But there is no teaching of how this will occur. So Jesus’ teaching is the first we have regarding these events.

Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.” (Mark 12:24-27).

Jesus is here proving the resurrection as fact, because there has been division over this between the Sadusees and Pharisees. And He is proving that Israel’s saints are definitely included in the resurrection.

Of Jesus own resurrection it is said. He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying (Matthew 28:6).

This is the actual account of Jesus resurrection. The only account that we see using the term first resurrection is not until we come to Revelation.

Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4).

These that John is seeing are Tribulation saints who are to be killed obviously during the tribulation and before the kingdom age; and they are as we shall see definitely made part of the first resurrection. They will reign with Christ as will we for 1000 years.

The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:5-6).

Unless one can prove a pre-Tribulation Resurrection for all the new covenant saints which would be separate from Israel’s own New Covenant blessing; then these scriptures offer very strong evidence for the post-Trib timing of the first resurrection. The Holy Spirit has stated here in this passage in very clear terms that “This is the first resurrection.”

But the pre-trib answer to this is to point us to the coming of the Lord as a theif on the Day of the Lord. Yet the Day of the Lord is explicit with detail in Old Testament Scripture. (See my write up on the Day of the Lord). In that writing you will find Scripture proving that The day of the Lord begins the Millennial reign, it does not begin the Tribulation.

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire ( Revelation 20:12, 15).

This is of course the second resurrection. And concerning this resurrection there seems to be little dispute among premillennials. So where do we find scriptural truth for only one “the first” resurrection? Or is it a multiple first resurrection?

For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death (1 Corinthians 15:21-26).

This resurrection for all men in Christ is made clear again in Romans 5:19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

One thing is certain, there is no mention of a pre-trib resurrection in any of the passages of Scripture, and neither have the pre-Trib scholars found any, but with this passage there is an attempt by dispensationalists to apply those who are Christ’s at His coming to a Dispensational understanding of the church only. One that separates Israel out as another resurrection which is not mentioned here, but one to them that would still be part of what the Scripture calls the first resurrection. But the bigger problem for them is the fact that these scriptures teach that it is only in Christ that man who was made dead in Adam will now be made alive. Christ (Messiah) alone is the giver of eternal life, and for that life to be given one must be in Him, not sacrificing Animals to His Father, but actually in Him.

So if this is true then all men if they have been made alive spiritually before God must be in Christ. This is a condition to their being raised from the dead. He is the God of the living not of the dead. So all men from the time of creation, even to include Adam must come to Him. The above passage makes being in Christ a requirement for being made alive before God in eternity through the resurrection.

There is one other problem for a pre-Trib understanding that arises from this verse. The passage says: “But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end”. This statement makes it impossible for anyone to be resurrected before His coming. Therefore all those all the way back to Adam who are made alive by this one man Jesus (the Christ) are subject to a resurrection at His coming. Why?–because He led them from Their captivity in Sheol to His captivity in Heaven. And their answer that there are two comings is unproven, because there is no scripture calling for a division of those in Christ. So herein is their problem- this must include all of Israel’s past saints in this resurrection. So do we have our answer totally resolved? You surly can see that the inclusion of the Old Testament saints of Israel with this resurrection taught in New Covenant Scripture is unavoidable for they are now dead in Christ, and this makes them part of the bride of Christ. And this lines up perfectly with Paul’s Ephesians teaching concerning our being one with the saints and included in their promises.

So you may ask how then does one prove that there is only one part to the first resurrection, and one part to the second coming? So let’s go back to 1 Thessalonians 4: “we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Here we see that this resurrection of which Paul speaks is for the dead in Christ and we now know that all men all the way back to Adam who will resurrect are among the dead in Christ. This demands that all men who are ever to be made part of the first resurrection must be raised at this very same time that Paul teaches the Rapture will take place. The dead in Christ will rise first. Paul in this passage makes the point that the Rapture will not preceded the resurrection of those who are dead in Christ. And he has made it clear that the dead in Christ are resurrected just before the Rapture. In order to make another time for the resurrection of the Tribulation’s Nation of Israel, it must be determined that this this then future but now present day Israel is never going to be in Christ. And if they are never in Christ they can never be made alive to immortality.

If the Church in Christ is defined as not being meant for Israel then the resurrection of Israel’s dead makes Paul’s writings false. For these scriptures teach that only in Christ can man made dead in the sin of Adam be made alive in the resurrection. So then will there be no resurrection for Israel, because Israel according to Dispensational theology can not belong to Christ? They do not raise Israel’s dead until seven years later after those who are in Christ are raised. Yet according to these scriptures they must also be in Christ in order to be raised. This makes no sense in light of Peter’s message to the men of Israel in Acts 3:

While he was clinging to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them at the so-called portico of Solomon, full of amazement. But when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, “Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk? “And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. But the things which God announced before hand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time (Acts 3:11-12, 17-21).

Peter here is calling for Israel’s repentance and for their acceptance of their Christ. But this he calls a return, a return to what? The one appointed for them, who will not come until they do so. Once they have done what Peter has called on them to do will they not be Christ’s? Does this call for their return not carry with it the conclusion that at one time Israel’s saints who went before their rejection of Christ were somehow in Him? Based upon what Paul says they had to be, because only those in Christ will be made alive in the First resurrection.

If these men who lived and died before Israel’s rejection of Christ were not Christ’s before; then they are without hope unless God had before hand provided a way for them to be in Christ. And this we saw He did, and just like He did this for them He has planned for the inclusion in Christ of the future Great Tribulation remnant of Israel.

Paul even tells us that this future salvation of the nation Israel will also be the time of our resurrection in Romans 11.

I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them (Israel) jealous. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (Romans 11:11, 15 NASB).

Life from the dead is resurrection. I suggest to you that there is no evidence of a pre-trib two part resurrection which there must be in order to have the Rapture at any other time then chapter 19 of Revelation, because it is only then that the dead including Tribulation saints will be in Christ. And it is the dead in Christ who will be raised before the Rapture. The only resurrection is the one taught to begin the Day of the Lord which is the first resurrection that Tribulation saints are party to. None of these passages dealt with in the last post or here today ever imply a two part first resurrection. There are two resurrections even as Daniel was shown; one to eternal life and one to eternal destruction.

So it is evident that all mankind who are in Christ will be resurrected as one bride to reign with Him where He is in Jerusalem during the millennium. Who will we reign over?– read the book.

Why Post-Trib Part 4 the First Resurrection

We are one with the saints as the Apostle Paul has designated us; therefore in my feeble mind we must conclude that unless we find scripture that will allow us to reverse that position, then we would expect to find the resurrection taught as a one time event for this one new man. He (this new man) is represented in Ephesians as being in Christ and one with the saints. In this post we will finalize who he — this one new man really is, and when he must be Raptured.

Jesus stated in John — 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

John 5:28-29 NASB

We here in this passage that all (every human being) will be resurrected to one of two resurrections.

Notice, the resurrection to life is only separated from those who committed evil. Again Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Luke 20:34-36 NASB

Jesus again twice makes reference to the resurrection. This time it is stated to be to life and it is specifically for those worthy to attain to that age, which here is implied to be the age following this age, and this age is the age of marriage and giving in marriage. So “that age” which is to come would be the kingdom age or millennium.

Martha said to Jesus speaking of Lazarus death, “ I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

John 11:24-25 NASB

Martha, who lived in what we consider to be Old Covenant times somehow knew of this future resurrection which she believed was at the end of the age — the last day. Why did she know of this? listen:

In Daniel 12:13 NASBS He is told:

[13] But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age.”

But Daniel was not the only one told that the end of the age would be the time for this “rest” that he was promised. Again listen to what Paul told the Thessalonians:

and to you that are afflicted rest with us, at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of his power in flaming fire,

2 Thessalonians 1:7 ASV

Paul had preceding this told the Thessalonians who were being afflicted and persecuted that their rest was coming at this future point in history along with “ours”; and we can see that this would be at the same time Daniel was told that he would receive his rest. What Paul described is an end of this age happening. Daniels rest is also at the end of the age and that is precisely when Jesus will be revealed in flaming fire to punish those who afflict us. His revelation is His return (his appearance).

Daniel had also spoken of the resurrection: 2] Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2 NASBS

Paul obviously understood all of this for in Acts he is quoted as saying:

But this I admit to you, that according to the Way (the way was the early name for Jewish believers in Messiah) which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets; having a hope in God, which these men (Jews who believe the resurrection) cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Acts 24:14-15 NASB

Paul understood that Jesus was the reason for his hope:

For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

Romans 6:5 NASB

He also taught that only “in Christ” in the Jewish Messiah will this life come about.

For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ (the Jewish Messiah) all will be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 NASB

So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul .” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:45,48-52 NASB

Paul had told the Thessalonians that their endurance of afflictions and persecutions made them worthy to inherit the kingdom of God, and here he says Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. If this is true and we know it is; then at the time of the kingdom age, or the millennium as premillennialists see the kingdom, all must be in new bodies. And all must be in The Messiah of Israel. This is Paul’s one new man. Paul also lets us know that some — those who are Raptured will not sleep, but all will be changed and this change will be at a specific time — the last Trumpet. He says that all of those who do sleep or have died will be changed at this resurrection just like those who are Raptured must all follow this resurrection. Here is the key to the timing of the resurrection and Rapture. They must be one event. Unless as I said before you can find a New Testament scripture which will allow for the undoing of what Messiah (Christ) has brought together in the one new man. Just as in Adam all have died, so in Israel’s Messiah (Jesus) all will be made alive. Paul states this as a future promise only for those in Israel’s Messiah (Christ Jesus).

So this last Trumpet resurrection will be the first resurrection and it will be of the righteous. It must also include the saved (those in Christ) of the Tribulation, otherwise they cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So does it?

[4] Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [5] The rest of the dead (those not in Christ) did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5 NASBS

All who are in Christ are raised before the kingdom age in this the first resurrection. All must be in Christ, one new man.

Daniel 12:2 NASBS

[2] Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

[6] Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. Revelation 20:6 NASBS

These First resurrection saints will reign with the Messiah of Israel for 1000 years as part of the bride of Christ the Jewish Messiah.

Just before Jesus returns to resurrect and Rapture the saints — the one new man we here:

Revelation 19:7 NASBS

[7] Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”

Revelation 11:15 NASBS

[15] Then the seventh angel sounded (the seventh and last trumpet); and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 NASBS

[51] Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, [52] in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Unless we can find scripture to substantiate what others teach that there is more than one first resurrection and more than one rapture and more than one people of God; then we have no choice but to accept what the scriptures teach us.

God really does not need me to explain His word. He is perfectly capable of communicating through His word what we need to know. I have merely referenced His word as best as I can to show you why I believe as I do on the timing of the Rapture. It must follow the first resurrection. It must incorporate all who believe in Israel’s Messiah (Christ). It must result in one flock as Jesus put it, one new man as Paul put it. All must come through one symbolic Olive tree. We all must be one body and one bride. The picture from scripture points to oneness not division. May God bless you as you ponder these things in your heart.

So my question to you — in which resurrection will you be raised?

Why Post-Trib Part 3 —

If we Gentile believers are grafted into the Olive Tree, which represents something that pre-existed the blessings brought to the Gentiles by the cutting off of Jewish branches; and if that something was the church in the wilderness (Israel) with Jesus as it’s root — then when is Jesus coming for us? See my article on this website: WHAT IS IMPLIED IN JESUS TITLE THE ROOT, sept. 28.

In Daniel chapter 7 we have a picture of the end-Time dominions that will effect Israel. I give much more detail in the book, but the Lion, the bear, the 4 headed leopard and the 10 horned beast from which arises the Antichrist will all be players before Messiah returns. I believe that they represent, England, Russia, the Muslim nation descendants of Ishmael, and the United Nations which will morff into and incorporate the others and produce the Antichrist, as this is described in Revelations picture of this same beast.

Also we find in this picture America — the eagles wings plucked from the Lion. These dominions are all present when Messiah is given His kingdom, which is taken from the Antichrist.

His war with the saints, those we are one with in scripture, is also mentioned in this chapter of Daniel. Jesus comes for these saints following Satan’s dominion which is over these saints.

Jesus Himself speaks of these days in Matthew 24 and in Mark 13:

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

Mark 13:24-27 NASB

There are those who try to say that these elect are a separate people existing in Modern Israel representing the restoration of The Old Testament nation Israel, but the truth of Scripture is that 1/3 of these modern Jews will be added back to the Olive tree where you and I now reside because of our belief in their Messiah. It is this same Jesus that they will also come to believe in bringing about His return to physically Rapture them and any Gentiles believers remaining on earth when He returns.

Those who tell us that there is this separation of Israel from the mostly Gentile Church of today have no Scriptural basis for this. We must insist on existing literal scripture in order to believe this. They can not point to one scripture that says that the Rapture is a separate event from this first resurrection depicted in the scriptures timing for the resurrection.

Their belief is that the resurrection occurs in several stages, as does the rapture. Their belief must separate the saints of scripture who Paul says we are one with (one new man). Their understanding of several stages of the resurrection is based on 1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after then those who are Christ’s at His coming,

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 NASB

Specifically the many stages to the Resurrection understanding is based on this phrase “But each in his own order”. So what is the order “Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,” — a coming that is nowhere in scripture depicted as two comings or stated in the plural. Yet this is necessary if there is any possibility of dividing the saints who are one in what is called the bride of Messiah. Believe me, I was raised with this belief and I know the questions that it poses when compared with scripture.

The belief that there are two peoples of God two brides — one for The Father and one for the Son Just is not in Scripture. This part of the belief is based on The Father God being Israel’s husband in the Old Testament and divorcing her for her unfaithfulness. However the only real evidence as to which in the Godhead (Father or Son) is her husband is revealed in the Old Testament Isaiah 54 passage.

“ Shout for joy, O barren one, you who have borne no child; Break forth into joyful shouting and cry aloud, you who have not travailed; For the sons of the desolate one will be more numerous Than the sons of the married woman,” says the Lord . “For you will spread abroad to the right and to the left. And your descendants will possess nations And will resettle the desolate cities. “Fear not, for you will not be put to shame; And do not feel humiliated, for you will not be disgraced; But you will forget the shame of your youth, And the reproach of your widowhood you will remember no more. “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the Lord of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth. “For the Lord has called you, Like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, Even like a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” Says your God.

Isaiah 54:1,3-6 NASB

So what does this say to us. It speaks of a married woman who’s descendants will possess Nations. A woman who’s shame of widowhood is to be forgotten. How was she widowed? — read chapter 53 which precedes these verses. This is a woman who’s maker and redeemer (Jesus) is her husband. In the beginning was the Word and the word was God, and without Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Those who are saved who are Jews do not represent the entire nation, they are a remnant as Paul explains in Romans 11. When all who are adopted are finally safe in the root (Messiah), then all Israel will be saved. Then we will be a Holy Nation a Royal Priesthood unto our God. Then we will be revealed as the Sons of God.

Some believe when they here that “all Israel will be saved” that this means that all Jews are of the chosen Nation or People Israel and therefore they are all saved. Yet, Jesus allowed us to see that this is not truth, when He told us of the rich man and Lazarus. These were both citizens of Israel, but one wound up in torment, the other in Abraham’s bosom.

Are you in Christ, the Messiah of Israel, in Him? If not God is calling you. He is wooing you to a place of rest and trust in Him. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but only those who believe are given the power to become the sons of God. He calls us to turn away from the love of the creation and toward the creator who made all of this. He calls us to receive Him the river of living water which will overflow us and give us eternal life with Him. He calls us to be part of the one new man in Him. No more Jew or Gentile, no more male or female but one new born again, Spirit filled man in Him. It is your choice to either follow Him or reject Him. Choose ye this day whom you will serve. He loves you, and asks that you love Him. If you choose Him you will have a blessed hope.

We will take up the resurrection in part 4.

Signs and Wonders: “False Christs and False Prophets”

Jesus said “many will come in my name saying I am the Christ, and will lead many astray.” Is it happening?

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“Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not…” (Matthew 24v23)

Amazingly it is recorded that there have been individuals claiming to be “Christ” since as early as the first century. Throughout the centuries there have been those who either made this claim for themselves, or their followers were convinced of it. Today, however, the world is full of “false Christs” and perhaps an even greater number of “false prophets.”

At least one “false Christ” has emerged from the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) cult, while Sun Myung Moon (1920-2012) who was the founder and leader of the Unification Church or “Moonies” also considered that he was “the Second Coming.” Nevertheless, like all mortal men he is gone from this scene of time now. His false system of belief unfortunately lives on, under the leadership of his second wife, Hak Ja Han. There…

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Why Post-Trib Part 2

But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

(Romans 2:29 NASB).

For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “ through Isaac your descendants will be named.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. As He says also in Hosea, “ I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’ And her who was not beloved, ‘beloved .’” “ And it shall be that in the place where it was said to them, ‘you are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God .”

Romans 9:3-4,6-8,23-26 – NASB

These verses are also foundational to our inclusion in the Commonwealth of Israel as were those viewed in part 1. Understanding that our oneness is with the saints who were part of the church in the wilderness, as we will see in part 3 of this series, erases all doubt about when the resurrection will take place.

This is he (Moses), who in the church (ekklessia) in the wilderness was with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers—the one who received the living oracles to give unto us,

Acts 7:38 KJ21

With all of this as foundation we can now see when we will be resurrected and Raptured in relation to Israel’s salvation.

While he was clinging to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them at the so-called portico of Solomon, full of amazement. But when Peter saw this, he replied to the people, “Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk? “And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Acts 3:11-12,17-21 NASB

The message is prophetic as to what will be the final act by Israel which will bring Jesus back from heaven. Israel’s repentance and her return to her Messiah will fulfill the end-Times prophecies and bring about the consummation of things. (See my Sept 25th Article MESSIAH STAINS HIS GARMENTS ISAIAH 63)

Is there further Scriptural confirmation that Israel’s salvation will bring about the resurrection and Rapture?

Now if Israel’s transgression means riches for the world [at large] and their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment and reinstatement be! For if their [present] rejection [of salvation] is for the reconciliation of the world [to God], what will their acceptance [of salvation] be but [nothing less than] life from the dead?

Romans 11:12,15 AMP

Israel’s salvation brings reconciliation to the world, and life from the dead to all who are saved. Just as Peter stated it in his Acts sermon. We will in Part 3 determine exactly when this is to occur in relation to Jesus’ second coming.

Why Post Trib? Part 1

Let’s start by answering the main dividers of the church from yesterday’s post. Then we will examine the Scriptural Support. Here they are:

The main differences between these various views from all camps are these: is or is not Israel still involved in God’s future plan? YES. Will or will there not be a future millennium? YES. Will the Lord come back in the resurrection and rapture before, during or after the Tribulation and the final battle of this age Armageddon? AFTER. The Scriptures support for this and the next question will come in the next article. Are there many parts to the resurrection or is there just one or maybe two as believed by some. I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE FIRST RESURRECTION IN THIS QUESTION NOT JUST “THE RESURRECTION”. THE ANSWER — There is only one first resurrection, but there is a second resurrection of the unjust following the Millennium.

Now you know where I stand on each of these questions, but I wrote the book to explain why, so realistically it is not possible that I can boil this down to one article? — maybe I can wet your appetite to learn more of what scripture states in the next couple which will be about the proof for these conclusions. But there is also much more evidence already presented within the other over 20 articles on this subject that have already been posted on this website.

Let me start here by stating that I am firmly planted within the premillennial camp. Why? There is one main reason. Jesus taught us to pray “Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven”. I Don’t know about you, but I think that’s a pretty good reason to expect a future Kingdom on earth ruled by God. So let’s consider Israel’s role in this future Kingdom. Again I am going to give you only minimal verses, but there are significantly more in the book.

So what is so compelling? Before we get to the compelling a reality check is in order concerning Israel. She was chosen as a nation to be a holy nation and a royal priesthood, but let’s be honest — not all Israel as in all Jews were, are or will be saved; but in the end all Israel will be saved. No not a misstatement all Israel has a Scriptural definition as explained by Paul in Romans chapters 9-11. Further Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets are filled with the turning from God of a people. The Gospels are replete with the cutting off of a people. Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not, but to as many… You know the rest. Paul says we are adopted, we are in Him, in who? We are in Israel’s Messiah. Now to the compelling verses.

Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “ Uncircumcision” by the so-called “ Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

(Ephesians 2:11-13,19,3:4,6,4:4-6 NASB)

So we are no longer aliens and strangers but fellow citizens in Israel, (the oliveTree of Romans 11) Christ is the root, all must come through Him grafted into the tree which already existed as the Church body in Israel. A tree which already existed, before we Gentiles were added. In the end Israel’s Jewish remnant will also be grafted back into this holy nation of which Peter says that we are a part and then all Israel will be saved. This is the message of Romans chapters 9-11, but these chapters alone without the support of the balance of prophetic scripture can be, and yes are being twisted to say differently. Yet when anyone does that twisting it results in contradictions to other scriptures and thus confusion.

So now we are set to examine the scriptures which tell us the timing of the Lords Return for this one body, this one new man that will be completed in what is called the resurrection. And the Rapture is definitely taught in scripture to follow the resurrection (1Thessalonians 4). Any questions? Include them in your post. On this website I invite your challenges to my conclusions. I only ask that you support your challenge with scripture, and we must be civil in our discussions.